Gray Matters: Ellen Gottesdiener – 10/15/2007 Ellen Gottesdiener Show notes: Gray Matters: Ellen Gottesdiener – 10/15/2007 https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/www.stickyminds.com/ControlImages/Stickyminds/Image/Podcast/Audio/GM_20071019_Gottesdiener.mp3?_=1Podcast: Play in new window | Download